Cynical Nation

Barry,
You simply dont get it. For starters, Feingold is NOT the far left wing of the democratic party. However, he is the MOST principled of all democratic senators.

He is 100% right on the issue. Everyone wants wiretapping of the terrorists, but we do not live under a military regime that can take actions against the law. Bush broke the law. The president could have simply obtained court approval AFTER wiretapping the suspected terrorists. The law allows for this, but Bush ignored the law. All Feingold is asking is for this to be acknoweledged and corrected. Thats why he is calling for censure and not impeachement.

Do you really believe that in the name of fighting terrorism we should destroy our democracy? Thats exactly what the terrorists want. Feingold has made the right call but there are no democratic or republican senators with guts to support him.

if you think think Mr.Feingold is right, call your Congressman and demand a vote on the censure now.

The GOP is going to be in trouble if the Democrats ever wake up and toss their Progressive-wing overboard.

Ortho,
Thats a good suggestion. It is interesting that Barry does not respond here. So, I assume that he accepted his mistake and he is also in favor of the censure. Right Barry?

Ortho,
Thats a good suggestion. It is interesting that Barry does not respond here. So, I assume that he accepted his mistake and he is also in favor of the censure. Right Barry? :)

I think Frist should bring it to the floor for a vote right away.

I agree on that. And everyone should go on record.

i think everybody in Congress needs to put up or shut up on this one. Let's see some cojones.

"Everyone wants wiretapping of the terrorists, but we do not live under a military regime that can take actions against the law. Bush broke the law. The president could have simply obtained court approval AFTER wiretapping the suspected terrorists. The law allows for this, but Bush ignored the law. All Feingold is asking is for this to be acknoweledged and corrected. Thats why he is calling for censure and not impeachement."

I think that BW has set a record for most inaccuracies in a single resonse posted on CN.

Let's see:

Where do you surmise it to be a 'military regime'? Do you even have a clue as to what that term entails?

Obviously not as you would not be talking about Senator Feingold or any other congressman as they wouldn't exist. Jeez, you guys with your "Hitler", "fascist", and "Nazi" comparions merely show your ignorance of the terms. Do you really think you would be able to post this very commentary in a military regime?

Answer: no.

Take 'action against the law'?

Why has every court which has heard matters akin to this, including the FSA court, agreed with the president about his rights?

Hell, BW. the 9/11 commission openly acknowledged the problems inherent with tring to conduct covert surveillance while waiting for Godot, uh, the courts to approve every tap. Why don't you and that pontificating blowhard acknowledge that fact?

The whole reason congress wanted this law, passed in 1979, was to insinuate itself into an area it doesn't belong in, post-Nixon. In a time of war, the constitution provides wartime powers which supercede what, IMO, was an illegal attempt by the legislative branch to check on the executive not provided for by the constitiution.

"but Bush ignored the law."

No, Bush did not. He was advised by Alberto Gonzalez and others that he was well within his parameters as CIC to do what he ordered. What you conveniently leave out is that select members of congress WERE advised of this for several years, including Jay Rockefeller. Did you ever here him complaining about this before the Times disgusting leak?

Answer: no.

"All Feingold is asking is for this to be acknoweledged and corrected. Thats why he is calling for censure and not impeachement."

Oh spare me! Feingold is posturing to get to the left of HRC and stake out his claim as 2008's version of Howard Dean. Today, he openly discussed that impeachment was a real possibility but that he was being rational and low-keyed in demanding a mere censure.

Let me ask you this: when three red meat liberals such as Pelosi, Reid and "Where's the camera?" Shumer all ran away from this today, does that tell you fringe players that all your threats and calls to Democrats can't push even these clowns over the edge?

If not, then you are further gone than even I imagined.

"Do you really believe that in the name of fighting terrorism we should destroy our democracy? Thats exactly what the terrorists want."

Destroy it how? Every single senator, including Dems like Dianne Feinstein who have been now briefed about the project, came away impressed with both its effectiveness (since compromised by the NY Times) and its selectivity and sensitivity.

Understand this: ordinary citizens are not being targeted. Only those who communicate with overseas contacts who are either known to be terrorists or are suspected of same. Even then, calls maded by the same when both are within the US are not monitored.

In point of fact, what Feingold is trying is exactly what the terrorist want.

Dissension.

Weaken Bush.

Throw the bastard out and bring in someone who wants to be warm and fuzzy.

Summary: you have no case as even Pelosi, Reid and Shumer understand. All you have is hatred and contempt for Bush.

You lost in 2000.

You lost in 2002.

You lost in 2004.

Try some introspection next time as to why rather than playing Pavlov's dog to a man whose sole purpose in all this is to establish his bona fides with the fringe left for 2008.

Lord, but you guys are sooo gullible.