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AND the HSUS??? OMG! I used to donate to them.

I think PETA got it the wrong way round. I hope Vick is euthanized. Look at that picture you posted...how could anyone.....??!

They started off for a good cause but they have completly lost the reason why they formed this organization.

They remind me of comatozed junkies in college. They are way off track.

ASPCA is more level headed than these morons.

Poor darling. The pain and terror she must have felt and not able to do much about it...and all the rest of our beloved animals in the hands of monsters.

PETA and HSUS will not get my support from now on.

I donate to the ASPCA on a monthly basis....ever since Vick.

OK, I NEVER had any use at all for PETA, unless we're talking about the group "People Eating Tasty Animals," and we're obviously not.

Given that, and given the fact that I own no pets (tropical fish don't count, do they) I am surprised by PETAs stand here.

I'm surprised because of how ostensibly sensible it seems.

And I'm NOT being argumentative nor provocative here.

My understanding is that dogs trained for dog fighting are left hyper-aggressive and cannot be made into "pets," nor used for any other positive purpose.

I think it's also safe to say that we can't just let them run free either, can we?

That's at least what I've always heard - that such dogs are left untrainable and unrecoverable.

If that's not the case, all it'll take is evidence of a documented program that successfully recovers such dogs. I've always heard that they "had to be euthanized."

Hi BNJ, and everyone. First, no one wants to euthanize. No one says "I feel like putting dogs to sleep today!" PETA never "wants" to do this. We'd love it if it were illegal to breed dogs, sure. We go out to places where dogs have been on a chain for YEARS, and they are starving, and they have heart worms. Their owners are cited with cruelty charges. PETA staffers have adopted as many animals as they possibly can, I assure you. However, there just aren't enough homes. Michael Vick's dogs will require intense rehabilitation and care to be introduced to a family, and PETA never said they should be euthanized, they said many of the dogs would have to be because they were (by veterinary advice) largely unadoptable. Fortunately someone stepped in. Funny how someone steps in when the dogs are famous. People cry "find them a home, don't put them to sleep!" but, show me a home... Show me a hundred thousand homes every year, perpetuated by breeders, puppy mills, pet shops, and dogfighting ringmasters.
Please do not demonize groups who try to stand up for animals. PETA spays and neuters several thousand animals a year, thereby preventing hundreds of thousands of unwanted animals every year. Every time PETA gets someone to think, to go vegetarian, another thousand or so animals won't be slaughtered.
Peace.

I love meat. I will never stop eating meat. It is natural for humans to eat meat. It is meant to be a part of our diet. Why now do you truly believe that it is our best intrest to become vegitarians, when throughout human history it was ok to eat meat. Your organization is detrimental to the standards that our forefathers set for us. We have the right to hunt, and that shall not be taken away. As long as humans (all animal species) for that matter have been around they have hunted there prey. I know that you can say we live in a different time now, but that is your opinion. We also have an opinion and that is to be able to enjoy and take part in our resources. I happen to like venison and have the right to eat it if harvested within the limits of the law, just as you have the right to eat corn wheat or whatever kind of vegtable you would like. Leave hunters alone. PETA is a minority in the opinions of Americans. You keep throwing your money into this and it is a waiste. I will continue supporting my right to hunt as will millions of other Americans. My money goes to help the animals that I hunt by maintaining there environment, and giving them a good home to live. How many preserves would be subdivisions if it were not for people like me. You have a right to your opinion as do I. You can never tell me what I can and can not eat as I can't you. Have a little respect for others. PLEASE

I love meat. I will never stop eating meat. It is natural for humans to eat meat. It is meant to be a part of our diet. Why now do you truly believe that it is our best intrest to become vegitarians, when throughout human history it was ok to eat meat. Your organization is detrimental to the standards that our forefathers set for us. We have the right to hunt, and that shall not be taken away. As long as humans (all animal species) for that matter have been around they have hunted there prey. I know that you can say we live in a different time now, but that is your opinion. We also have an opinion and that is to be able to enjoy and take part in our resources. I happen to like venison and have the right to eat it if harvested within the limits of the law, just as you have the right to eat corn wheat or whatever kind of vegtable you would like. Leave hunters alone. PETA is a minority in the opinions of Americans. You keep throwing your money into this and it is a waiste. I will continue supporting my right to hunt as will millions of other Americans. My money goes to help the animals that I hunt by maintaining there environment, and giving them a good home to live. How many preserves would be subdivisions if it were not for people like me. You have a right to your opinion as do I. You can never tell me what I can and can not eat as I can't you. Have a little respect for others. PLEASE

I had to put a dog down once when it became a danger to others. I loved the dog and raised it from a pup, but there was no longer any choice. Dogs are like people, some are just born hopelessly screwed up. Others are made that way.

I, cannot for the life of me remember where I read this (it was a memoir about a man who saves pit bulls but I can't remember the title), but PETA (and they're not the only ones) believes that pit bulls should be bred out of existence. I understand the rationale, but to simply let these beautiful puppies go because some people are assholes seems ridiculous.

I'm trying to find a reason ( apart from my waining inner ability) to feel good about this world. The Giants won..great! This gave me hope for 2008 to be a better year. Start it off with the "Stomp you OUT" was cool and uplifting for me and gives me hope. Then back to reality with 'assholes' that are more abundant than I would like.

Happynews.com here I come....again. Sometimes ignorance IS bliss.

TG for people like the ASPCA and Barry, K and others here that care about animals and the injustices of.

Does anyone anywhere take PETA seriously? PETA is a favorite target as an example of the "kook left", but even I don't know any progressives who thinks these people are anything but crazy.

It would seem that it's true that those dogs, which were bred and trained to be hyper-aggressive cannot be effectively (assuredly) rehabbed in any practical way.

Even ChickensAreFuzzyLilGuys acknowledged that, "PETA never said they should be euthanized, they said many of the dogs would have to be because they were (by veterinary advice) largely unadoptable."

I've hunted for many years.

I've hunted with rifles and with compound bows and I like it, support it and recommend it to others.

I have a neighbor who hates hunting and believes it should be outlawed. So, it's probably not all that surprising that I consider that guy to be emotionally disturbed in many ways.

He likes to go out and take pictures of animals in the wild.

I've told him many times, "We just have two slightly different ways of enjoying the same nature."

I don't go around trying to stop nitwits like him from taking pictures, or make his favored activities (bird-watching(?) and bee-keeping(?)....I'm just guessing on those) made illegal, so why do dolts like that have to continually attempt to infringe upon my own personal rights?

Now, for all I know, this fellow may have mellowed. I haven't spoken to him in over two years, when our last exchange ended rather petulantly, with me saying something along the lines of, "You should consider yourself fortunate that I only hunt animals. There ARE, after all, a lot of humans who'd make very tempting targets."

Apparently he took that as some kind of threat, which of course, it wasn't. It was merely an observation and a sound one, in my estimation.

I've known a lot of batshit crazy animal lovers in my time (people who put sweaters on dogs and feed their pets "human foods" they can't digest) and almost without exception, these so-called "animal lovers" are also diehard people haters.

A few years ago, I read about how Hitler was also an avid animal lover and advanced the same batshit crazy agenda that PETA does, that "Animals (in effect) are people (or at least sentient beings) too."

I know that seems like it violates Godwin's Law, but I'm NOT comparing animal lovers to Hitler, I'm merely saying that I'm not at all surprised that one of the most misanthropic men in history was also an avid "animal lover."

My own view is that a lot of very emotionally disturbed and otherwise sick people connect very powerfully with animals, because they don't connect very effectively or meaningfully with other humans.

I'm probably the only person here who has ever witnessed and even handled my own fighting dogs in a pit. This was long ago, in my youth, back when people understood that a dog is just a dumb animal.

Most everything they say about dog fighting is a lie. The dogs love to fight. They aren't sensitive to pain. Their owners don't kill them when they lose. They don't tear each other's limbs off. I never saw a dog die in a fight, or even get seriously injured. Scarred up, yes. I got cut boxing plenty of times.

Many of these dogs were PETS when they weren't fighting. They played with my friend's toddler daughter all the time. They lived with cats and other non-fighting dogs with no problems.

These dogs knew the difference between a child, a pet, and an opponent.

PETA is a bunch of polically motivated dog-murdering assholes. They put down thousands of animals every year, and they interfere with pet adoption to the point where far more animals are abandoned because people won't pay the $300 "adoption" fee (ransom).

When the ransom isn't paid, the dogs and cats are killed, AND THEY DON'T EVEN DO IT HUMANELY. They do it the cheap way, by suffocating the dogs and cats en masse. Even the Nazis were more kind murdering Jews -- at least they used a deadly gas.

So, first of all, there is nothing wrong with the fighting dogs, or dog fighting. There is surely something wrong with Vick if he killed the dogs for poor performance, but then again, a dog is just a dumb animal, like all the pigs and cows we kill, butcher and eat every day.

Vick didn't really do anything more wrong than anyone who eats a hamburger or Pork Fried Rice.

Oh, and yes, a knew a lot of dog fighters, and almost every one of them truly loved their dogs. I knew one guy who said that one of his dogs died in a fight. He pulled out the dog's picture from his wallet and talked about how great the dog was, and how much he loved that dog. He was still in mourning after many years. He blamed himself for not picking the dog up and forfeiting the match -- but the dog wanted to go on. It was the dog that was desperate to continue the fight.

Now we are Pussy Nation and we think dog fighting is just SO CRUEL.

Retards.

PETA sucks.

WoW!!! That just may be the most batshit crazy Barely post EVER!

I can't say "dumbest" because there's just so many; Such as posting a chart that showed H-1Bs going from under 50,000 in 1993 to slightly over 1 Million by 2000 to prove that "GW Bush raised the number of H-1B Visas to over 1 million," there's arguing about RICO "allowing the government to confiscate assets prior to conviction (it doesn't and never did), then arguing that "freezing" ill-gotten assets is the same as "confiscation" because the suspect isn't allowed to use those ill-gotten goods to defend himself, OR presumably to put them off shore or in otherwise untracable and untouchable accounts. There are others in the running for "dumbest," but those are but two from the lowlight reel.

And yet this is the most deliberately meanspirited and unnecessarily provocative barely post, and worse yet, it seems almost poised to undermine the arguments against the misanthropes at places like PETA, although that kind of strategy would take a nuance of intellect you seem generally quite incapable of.

Needless to say, Americans have ALWAYS felt a special affinity for dogs and cats. That's why Americans who don't shed a tear over eating a cow-burger or a buffalo-burger, or a cute little chicken sandwich, are appalled at Southeast Asians eating dog.

I can understand that dynamic and I don't own pets and never would.

Some people DO go overboard and some of that is almost certainly due to some level of misanthropic emotional disturbance (hmmm, not unlike your own). The PETA philosophy is so extreme that it tends to meld with that misanthropic strain and that's probably why it turns so many Americans off.

But dog fighting really IS cruel...AND unusual and it IS a felony in 48 of the 50 states. I believe cock fighting is illegal everywhere in the U.S.

So as they say, "There's THAT."

Not to mention the equally misanthropic sub-culture that dog fighting exemplifies. It figures you'd also gleefully put yourself among its misanthropic members.

I'm glad you've spent your time here railing in favor of Liberal policies - in favor of Carter, Against Reagaism, against Supply Side policies (that have delivered an unprecedented 25+ year period of prosperity), against RICO, against H-1Bs, against the Patriot Act, FISA, Gitmo, etc., etc.

You're an albatross around the neck of whatever side you claim to support.

The NEW DEAL delivered prosperity, Reagan and "supply side" bullshit was the beginning of the now completed DESTRUCTION of prosperity (for all but the elite few).

Oh, and dog fighting wasn't a felony when I was involved. Also, laws don't make things right or wrong, true or false -- just legal or illegal.

Dog fighting isn't cruel. It used to be a gentleman's sports before it was criminalized by Big Government types like you, union boy.

You will never be a real man.

Again, yet another factually incorrect post.

That's the only reason I respond to your inanities Barely, because you continually laddle out information (ie. on H-1Bs & RICO) that is not only wrong, but dangerously so.

When FDR came into office, he set up a slew of programs that temporarily put people back to work....UNTIL all the bills came due and "the recession of 1937" sent unemployment numbers back to their 1934 levels.

After that, it was only WW II, which put nearly 14 MILLION Americans to work "off shore" (in uniform) that the economy stabilized.

In effect, the best thing FDR did for America and the American economy was to get us into a war that a large number of Americans wanted no part of at that time.

I just can't let idiotic statements like that, and like "RICO allows the government to confiscate assets prior to conviction," etc. to go uncorrected.

And your dog fighting comments speak for themselves. It is rightfully ILLEGAL and it is NOT a "sport."

For the first time since 2003, I find myself in agreement with Jill (and that was over some music that we both enjoyed).

BTW, I DO not believe PETA is an extension of the fringe left but rather an entity unto itself.

"I DO not believe PETA is an extension of the fringe left but rather an entity unto itself." (Mal)


I agree with that. It's not an extension of any specific political movement, Mal. There are people from all backgrounds and viewpoints in PETA.

What I find primarily objectionable about that group is how they seek to force their viewpoint on others, rather than trying to win over converts....that IS something they share with Liberals.

Seeking to force a vegan lifestyle on a largely unwilling and uninterested American population, seeking to ban game hunting, which millions of Americans enjoy, etc are things that marginalize them in many people's eyes.

No JMK. It is not only a sport, our FOUNDING FATHERS participated. Sorry that you are such a retard.

Oh, and keep bringing up all the stuff that you lost on previously, like when you finally had to admit that my statement about Bush allowing a million H1B visa workers to displace Americans -- 100% true. It is also very sad that you have to split hair and wordsmith around the fact that the government does, in fact, take possession of the assets of people who have not been convicted of any crime, and deny them use of their assets in mounting a criminal defense.

You have lost on every count. You even tried to lie and say you weren't a slavish Limbaugh lemming, only to finally admit that you listen to him at lunch every day.

Poor little union boy, pretending he is a tough competitor in the real world, LOL!

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard Limbaugh's spin on the New Deal. Sure, it was WAR that saved the country! After all, look at all the prosperity being produced by Chimp's endless war!

War doesn't increase prosperity unless you confiscate the land and assets of those you defeat. Nothing about WWII increased America's properity. It was the New Deal that gave American's hope after the Robber Barons (supply siders) drove the country into the ground. Winning WWII brought back the middle class and our confidence, until Reagan attacked the middle class, busted the budget with his spending, and started us on the path back to the Robber Baron supply side days that caused the Great Depressin.

The funniest thing is that you sit there on your ass sucking on the public teat and forcing taxpayers to put food on your table while you are overpaid, union boy. Then you rail against the very system that you, a weakling, depends upon for survival.

For shame, union boy. Dittohead union boy. LOL!

Barely YOUR own chart showed that H-1B Visas went FROM under 50,000 in 1993 to just over 1 Million by 2000....which of course they did....and rightfully so. You posting that chart (a chart that refuted your own position) was one of the most absurdly amusing things I've come across....OK, that is until you posted an article on RICO which basically backed up everything that I'd already told you!

Look, I wish we could credit G W Bush with that, but he wasn't in office btw 1993 & 2000.

The RICO statutes are one of the best statutes that our legal system has ever produced.

RICO has allowed everything from terrorist fronts operating as Charities, to Mob run enterprises, to white collar stock scammers be brought to justice and in many cases, allowed scammed citizens to recover the monies scammed from them.

The law ALWAYS allowed the government to freeze "suspect assets" until the outcome of the proceedings, for the benefit of people such as yourself....OK, and because it's the right thing to do, as well.

And I NEVER said the New Deal programs didn't initially help.

I correctly stated that FDR's initial New Deal programs TEMPORARILY decreased unemployment, UNTIL the bills came due and the "recession of 1937 brought unemployment levels BACK to their 1934 levels.

They remained that way until America began prepping for war in 1940....and yeah, wars are ALWAYS good for the economies.....of the winners.

Please stop posting things that aren't true ("Carter was a good President," H-1Bs skyrocketed under Bush," RICO allows for illicit confiscations," etc, etc)....I'm asking as nicely as I possibly can.

Opinions are one thing, you have a right to your own opinions. You don't have any business asserting things that are factually incorrect.

Did You all know about this?

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/Trial.cfm

Yeah, it is from some group that I think wants to keep animals alive for testing, but with that said. Ya gotta wonder about PETA.

I use to contribute back in the day, but then I switched to local shelters when I started to have funny feelings about this group.

Did end up getting a lot of hate mail from them.

Ya have to wonder where their head is at.

I rescued a dog last year from a family that neglected it for a number of years. The owners before that abused it. (nut-case beat it and other things). Have had it for a year, said it had to be screwed up from all those years.

Best, Smartest, Greatest, most amazing Dog I have ever had! They know when they are getting a second chance. Or in Shadow's case, a third.

Don't believe me? Next time you have some free time. Drop by a shelter and spend an hour with a dog or cat. They will thank you. They don't give a crap what you're political view is.

Thanks!