Cynical Nation

Aren't you glad it's over? But yes, there was definitely something off with McCain's delivery.

I had the opposite reaction. While McCain's delivery was off, his speech reminded me why I have always admired him.

To be clear, I *liked* McCain's speech. I liked it a lot, actually. It's just that I found the delivery uninspiring. Well, no big surprise there.

I don't admire McCain's choice of Palin. His decision seemed to be completely based on political calculation and, given that he never even floated her as a contender prior to his picking her and given that few knew her well outside Alaska, it was inevitable that there would be a rush to investigate her.

While the press has gone too far in some instances, the McCain's camp's railing against the press comes across as them being against scrutiny. We are now just two months away and she has yet to take questions on anything.

McCain is 72. People can age quickly at that age so we could be looking at a Palin Presidency.

>...we could be looking at a Palin Presidency.

Don't tease me like that.

McCain is 72. People can age quickly at that age so we could be looking at a Palin Presidency.

That is exactly why McCain will lose the election 100%. Palin does not attract female votes (except wingnuts that were going to vote Repub. anyway) and scares men away. No man can vote for a woman who believes that sex is only meant for reproduction.

"No man can vote for a woman who believes that sex is only meant for reproduction."

Be that as it may, do you have any evidence that this is Sarah Palin's view? Links?

If not, it'll be clear that you've been putting on the red nose and silly makeup again.

Be that as it may, do you have any evidence that this is Sarah Palin's view? Links?

And do you really believe that I will waist my time for you? Chill out. If you can not understand by yourself Palin's thinking based on what you already know, no link will help you.

"While the press has gone too far in some instances, the McCain's camp's railing against the press comes across as them being against scrutiny. We are now just two months away and she has yet to take questions on anything."


That's an attempt to be ALMOST fair.

The press hasn't "investigated her" at all.

They initially went with a deranged Kos Kid's fantasy (since proven a LIE) that "Bristol Palin (5 mths pregnant) is Trig's (4 mths old) real Mom."

Then they echoed NOW's sentiments that a (Conservative) "woman's duties lie exclusively in the home."

Man, I'd been waiting for NOW to deliver that nugger ("A woman's most vital place is in the home") for three decades now.

Better late than never, but a little ill-timed, I'm afraid.

Abortion ISN'T an issue right now. Neither the President or the VP can abolish abortion.

Even the overturning of Roe (which is bad law, as written) wouldn't do that.

And gay Marriage isn't an issue this go round either, since it's not on the Ballot on any statewide referendum.

I sure hope Liberal Democrats aren't going to resort to social non-issues to make their arguments, otherwise I'd expect folks like PE and Fred to have HUGE problems with that, as they have when Republicans merely supported the Conservative side in various ballot referendums, that is when they WERE actual current social issues.




"McCain is 72. People can age quickly at that age so we could be looking at a Palin Presidency."


Well, her lack of experience IS rather glaring.

She's only held higher office since Januaruy of 2007....exactly like Obama himself.

And she only held local office before that....exactly like Obama himself.

Unlike Obama, however, her limited executive experience (first as Mayor, then as Governor) is, ironically enough, MORE executive experience then ANY of the other three candidates in this race.

While I'd agree that BOTH Palin and Obama have thin resumes and little experience in higher office (the nod, such as it is, MUST go to Palin, for at least having SOME executive experience), the BIGGEST concern this really highlights is that while Palin is merely SECOND on her ticket, an even more inexperienced person is at the TOP of the Democratic ticket!

Let's stop mistaking popularity (Obama won a few Primaries and some Caucuses), yet NONE of that equates to any actual "experience."

He is as much a "political lightweight" as is Sarah Palin, so why support ONE for the TOP position, while wringing your hands over the other for the SECOND slot?

"No man can vote for a woman who believes that sex is only meant for reproduction." (BW)

Who says?

I should say, where'd you read that idiotic bit of nonsense???

As a matter of fact, I KNOW that Palin supports contraception, so what's your point again?

As a matter of fact, I KNOW that Palin supports contraception, so what's your point again?

Link please.

"Chill out. If you can not understand by yourself Palin's thinking based on what you already know, no link will help you." (BW)

I've seen this retreat on BW's part before....many, many times, in fact.

Translation: "No, I can't find any links to back up my inane assertions and I'm offended that you'd even want proofs and don't merely take it on faith that, as unable to make a coherent, affirmative argument as may be, I'm right anyway."

That's sort of the BW equivalent of Gilda Radner's Emily LaTelle's "Never MIND!

"As a matter of fact, I KNOW that Palin supports contraception, so what's your point again? (JMK)


"Link please." (BW)


Sure, how's this:

Governor Palin Is Pro-Life, Pro-contraception, And Pro-competition In Health Care

Medical news Today
30 Aug 2008
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/119785.php

"Governor Sarah Palin today released the following statement to Alaskans:...

Sarah Palin on Contraception

"A 2006 article in the Anchorage Daily News refers to her as "pro-contraception".

Unlike yourself, I'm always ready to make a logical, affirmative argument for my position.

Then again, I base nothing on feelings and that seems to be what Liberals base ALL their beliefs on.

Yes, JMK, I understand that you feel that Liberals base ALL their beliefs on feelings.

"Yes, JMK, I understand that you feel that Liberals base ALL their beliefs on feelings." (PE)


BW seems to prove that out, doesn't he, PE?

And he's far from alone!

I've NEVER heard a logical, affirmative argument in favor of Liberal policies...and I read the likes of Krugman (a knuckle-dragging, mouth-breather in every sense of that term) regularly.

I do understand that it's "sooooo hard," to do that, but it's also kind of necessary.

Why can't anyone explain why "income redistribution is good and necessary?"

Why can't someone explain why "the economy really IS a zero-sum game, with only a certain amount of wealth available at any6 given time," which would go a long way toward legitimizing the socialist viewpoint?

Why do Liberals (like yourself) fail to take issue with Neanderthals within your ranks who make absurdly wrong assertions like Sarah Palin "believes that sex is only meant for reproduction"?

When you don't challenge such absurdities, it comes across as YOU yourself agreeing with them.

JMK,
You support failed antidemocratic theories. Not cool.

Like most Americans, I am just learning about Sarah Palin. I did not know whether that statement was true or not.

Not at all!

I OPPOSE failed anti-democratic ideas/theories like "income redistribution," and the idea that "the economy is a zero-sum game."

The free market is economic democracy in action.

We don't have to question whether a Neuro-surgeon is worth 1486 times what a cop, a teacher or a firefighter earns, or whether a a Hedge Fund manager is worth 480 times what a Neuro-surgeon earns, they ARE, becayse the market says they are.

The most common failed anti-democratic ideas are ones like, "the command economy can be more efficient and more humane than the free market," OR, "freedom is not 'self-ownership and complete self-responsibility,' BUT being able to do whatever we'd like, so long as we don't harm anyone else."

THOSE are failed and vehemently anti-democratic theories/ideas...and as you'd say, "they definitely aren't cool."

JMK,
You seem to forget that you support dictators like Pinochet in Chile. I bet you, your probably also like Mugabe.

"Like most Americans, I am just learning about Sarah Palin. I did not know whether that statement was true or not." (PE)


Fair enough, although you seem far more footloose and ready to challenge Conservative ideas....given the failure of Liberalism (Dinkins in NYC, Carter in the 70s), I'd think that rooted in wishful thinking, rather than any logic that would indicate "Liberal ideas are often good ideas."

JMK, that statement shows that you don't have a clue regarding what I support and who I have supported.

Have a nice weekend.

I NEVER intimated that you supported either Dinkins or Carter.

I made the prescient observation that THOSE TWO were two of the most ardent and articulate advocates of contemporary Liberalism in the United States.

You are a guy who regularly defends Left-of-Center postions, if you DON'T support them, then your support for Liberalism/progressivism is probably no deeper than a puddle. Maybe your heart really isn't in Liberalism and perhaps you realize that it's severe limitations. I'd commend you, if you'd acknowledge that.

I am a guy who regularly defends Right-of-Center positions and you'll NEVER see me disavowing the likes of Gingrich or Buchanan.